Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast

Relationship-Driven Product Marketing: Building Influence and Trust with Tamara Grominsky

Product marketing is more than frameworks, messaging, and launches—it’s about people. At its core, success in PMM comes from relationships: the trust you build with product teams, the credibility you earn with sales, and the network you nurture across the industry. When your relationships are strong, your influence grows—and so does your impact.
In this episode of Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast, we’re joined by Tamara Grominsky, the Founder of PMM Camp and a product marketing leader with a rich background that includes leadership roles at Kajabi and Unbounce. With a master’s degree from Simon Fraser University and a bachelor’s from York University, Tamara has built her career around strategic storytelling, thoughtful influence, and one of the most undervalued superpowers in marketing: relationship management.
This conversation is a must-listen for anyone who’s ever felt like product marketing is stuck between teams—and is ready to turn that in-between space into a position of leadership. In this episode, you’ll learn: How to build and nurture strategic relationships as a PMM What it takes to earn trust—not just visibility—across cross-functional teams Why influence inside a company often matters more than authority How external networking can grow your career, your skill set, and your confidence Tactics for staying top-of-mind and valuable across your internal and external networks How to manage and maintain authentic connections, even at scale Why this episode is worth your time: You can be the most strategic, technically skilled, and creative product marketer in the room—but if you can’t build trust and navigate relationships, your best work may never see the light of day.
Tamara shares real, practical insight on how to become a connector inside your organization: someone who brings teams together, communicates with empathy, and influences decisions early—before the positioning doc is even drafted. She also talks about how to expand your influence beyond your current role—by investing in meaningful industry relationships, sharing your thinking publicly, and finding your voice through networking that doesn’t feel transactional.
If you’re looking to have more strategic impact, get invited to the right conversations, and build a PMM career that opens doors—not just decks—this episode is packed with tools and mindset shifts to help you grow. Who this episode is for: PMMs looking to strengthen their internal influence and collaboration Product marketers struggling to gain traction with sales, product, or execs Marketing leaders coaching junior team members on stakeholder management Early-career PMMs looking to grow their external presence and industry network Anyone who wants to lead through trust, not titles
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Building Story-Driven Product Marketing Strategy with Elliott Rayner

In today’s product marketing landscape, storytelling is often treated like the garnish—something you layer on once the strategy is set and the assets are ready. But what if it’s actually the main course?
 
In this episode of Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast, we’re joined by Elliott Rayner, CMO at OWOW and a global product marketing leader with past experience at ARION, Babbel, and ASICS. With an MBA from the University of Madrid and a bachelor’s from Copenhagen Business School, Elliott has helped shape stories that connect across industries, cultures, and audiences.
 
Together, we explore what it means to make storytelling a strategic function in your product marketing—not just a creative one.
 
In this episode, you’ll learn: How to embed storytelling early in your product marketing strategy—not just at the end What storytelling looks like in a B2B context and how it differs from B2C The frameworks Elliott uses to shape story-first go-to-market motions How to balance narrative with data, especially in high-stakes decision environments The role of storytelling across the funnel—from initial awareness to post-sale retention How to build a culture of storytelling inside your company (even when teams are metric-driven)
Why this episode is worth your time: Storytelling isn’t fluff. It’s a strategic asset—and one of the most effective ways to turn technical features into memorable, differentiated messaging. Elliott breaks down how to create stories that do more than sound good—they align teams, engage customers, and actually drive business outcomes. You’ll leave with a better understanding of how story fits into product marketing’s most critical functions: positioning, cross-functional influence, GTM execution, and customer resonance. He shares not just why story matters, but how to make it part of your daily work—through content, campaign planning, product launches, and internal alignment. If you’re a product marketer who’s tired of the phrase “we just need better messaging” with no framework to back it up, this episode will give you tools to do something about it.
 
Who this episode is for: Product marketers looking to move beyond feature-based messaging GTM leaders trying to build stronger internal alignment through narrative Brand or content marketers seeking to partner better with product teams Founders or PMMs building early-stage positioning frameworks Anyone trying to make complex products easier to understand—and more memorable
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Bridging Product and Customer Marketing for Deeper Impact with Andrew Colebrook

The best product marketing doesn’t stop at launch—it lives in the hands of your happiest (and sometimes loudest) customers. That’s why the relationship between product marketing and customer marketing is so critical—but also so often underdeveloped.
In this episode of Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast, we’re joined by Andrew, the Customer Marketing Lead at Google. With a background that includes roles at Oracle and Trifacta, plus an MBA from Boston University and a bachelor’s from Assumption University, Andrew brings a rare blend of strategic product thinking and hands-on customer advocacy. He’s sat at the intersection of customer feedback, product launches, reference programs, and retention campaigns—and in this episode, he breaks down exactly how product marketers and customer marketers can work together to create a flywheel of trust, proof, and impact.
Whether you’re trying to gather stronger customer quotes, create better case studies, or just improve alignment with the customer marketing team down the hall, this episode delivers practical, tested advice.
In this episode, we cover:
How product marketing and customer marketing differ—and where they overlap
Why alignment between the two functions can supercharge GTM and post-sale strategies
The most effective ways PMMs can collaborate with customer marketers during and after launches
How to leverage customer advocacy to refine messaging, build credibility, and fuel demand Best practices for turning customer stories into high-impact content
How to set up shared KPIs and communication rhythms that create long-term alignment
Real examples from Andrew’s work at Google and Oracle that show what great collaboration looks like
Why this episode is worth your time:
Too often, customer marketing gets left out of the strategic GTM conversation until the last mile—just in time to ask for a quote or rush a case study. But in reality, it should be baked into your product marketing engine from day one.
This episode will help you reframe customer marketing not as a downstream content factory, but as a strategic partner that strengthens your messaging, powers your launches, and builds long-term credibility with your market. If you’ve ever struggled to get references for a launch, had sales ask for “just one more proof point,” or felt like you’re not tapping into your happiest customers enough—this one’s for you.
You’ll also hear Andrew’s answers to our rapid-fire round, including:
His favorite marketing tool
The most underrated skill in product marketing
The biggest mistake to avoid
One thing he wishes he knew when he started And his favorite podcast
Who should listen:
PMMs looking to improve how they partner with customer marketing Customer marketers seeking better alignment with product teams
GTM leaders who want more consistent post-launch momentum
Anyone responsible for customer advocacy, reference programs, or proof-point content
Product marketers launching in new verticals or customer segments 🎧
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Marketing Software to the Education Sector: Strategy, Timing, and Trust with Tia Lendo

The education market offers massive potential for software companies—but it comes with its own rhythms, pressures, and expectations. Marketing to educators, administrators, and institutions isn’t the same as marketing to enterprises or consumers. It demands a different mindset—and a whole lot more patience, trust, and purpose-driven messaging.
 
In this episode of Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast, we’re joined by Tia Lendo, a Product Marketing Consultant who has worked at Google and McKinsey, and who brings a unique perspective on navigating the complex world of education marketing. With an MBA from Stanford and a bachelor’s from UNC, Tia has helped both established companies and startups break into—and thrive within—the education sector.
 
If you’re marketing SaaS products, learning tools, or tech platforms aimed at schools, universities, or educational organizations, this conversation is packed with strategy, timing, and positioning insights you won’t want to miss.
 
In this episode, you’ll learn:
How the decision-making process in education differs dramatically from other industries
Why buying committees in education often include both financial gatekeepers and pedagogical influencers
How to build messaging that resonates across a highly skeptical, mission-driven audience
The critical role of seasonality in go-to-market planning for education
How to navigate long sales cycles and limited budget windows without losing momentum
Tactics for building trust and credibility with schools, districts, and universities
Why focusing on outcomes for students (not just features) creates deeper emotional buy-in Examples of successful education-focused campaigns and what made them work
 
Why this episode is worth your time:
Selling software into the education market isn’t just about showing ROI—it’s about demonstrating real, tangible value for students, teachers, and communities.
 
If you apply traditional B2B marketing tactics without adjusting for the education sector’s unique needs, you risk missed opportunities, delayed sales, and weak adoption. Tia’s advice will help you approach the education space with the right blend of empathy, timing, and strategic rigor.
 
Whether you're building your first school-targeted campaign or looking to deepen your traction with educational buyers, you'll come away with a much sharper, more informed go-to-market plan.
Plus, stick around for the rapid-fire round, where Tia shares:
Her favorite marketing tool
The most underrated skill in product marketing
The biggest mistake to avoid in marketing to education
What she wishes she knew when she started
Her favorite podcast recommendation for marketers
 
Who should listen:
Product marketers focused on EdTech, SaaS, or services for schools and universities
Demand gen leaders planning campaigns tied to academic calendars
Founders launching into education as a new vertical Marketers looking to strengthen their credibility and build trust in purpose-driven sectors
Anyone navigating slow, complex sales cycles in mission-led organizations
 
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Mastering B2B SaaS Storytelling to Drive Impact with Jodi Innerfield

In a B2B SaaS world full of jargon and features, the most effective product marketers know how to do something far more powerful: tell a story that sticks.
In this episode of Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast, we’re joined by Jodi Innerfield—Product Marketing Consultant and former leader at Salesforce—who specializes in turning dry messaging into narratives that connect, convert, and inspire. With a career rooted in enterprise tech and an eye for nuance, Jodi breaks down how storytelling can elevate your positioning, sharpen your GTM strategy, and build emotional credibility with buyers.
Whether you're launching a new feature or building an enterprise narrative from scratch, Jodi’s framework will help you make your product unforgettable.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
What storytelling really means in a B2B SaaS context—and why it’s not just a buzzword
The key differences between storytelling in B2B vs. B2C (and how to adapt your approach)
How to translate customer pain points into powerful, solution-driven narratives
Real-world techniques for using storytelling to strengthen positioning and cross-functional alignment
How to measure the effectiveness of your story—beyond vanity metrics
What makes a story resonate with both decision-makers and technical users
How to get buy-in for narrative-led marketing in orgs that are more numbers-first
Why it’s worth your time:Great product marketing isn’t about shouting louder. It’s about telling the right story to the right person at the right time. In a field where attention is limited and trust is earned, narrative clarity can be your biggest competitive edge.
Jodi doesn’t just talk theory—she gives you practical strategies, frameworks, and examples you can use today. Whether you're an individual contributor shaping messaging for a launch or a PMM leader building a team-wide narrative strategy, this episode delivers the insight (and inspiration) you need to level up.
Also in this episode:We close with our signature rapid-fire round, where Jodi shares:
Her favorite marketing tool
The most underrated skill in product marketing
The biggest mistake to avoid
One thing she wishes she knew when she started
Her go-to podcast for learning and inspiration
Who should listen:
B2B product marketers looking to sharpen their messaging and storytelling skills
GTM leaders building narrative alignment across product, sales, and marketing
Early-stage startup PMMs trying to define their voice in a crowded market
Anyone who’s ever said, “Our product is great—but people don’t seem to get it”
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Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast Ep. 12 - Dale Markowitz (Developer Relations)

Title: Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast Guest: Dale Markowitz Theme: AI for Developer Engagement

Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast Ep. 11 - Garrett Jestice (Product Marketing Consulting)

Title: From Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast Ep. 11 - Garrett Jestice (Product Marketing Consulting) Theme: This episode dives deep into the world of product marketing consulting, exploring the motivations behind the switch, the challenges and adjustments involved, and the invaluable lessons learned from working with a diverse range of companies.

Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast Ep. 10 - Galina Fendikevich (AI Tools)

Episode Title: Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast Ep. 10 - Galina Fendikevich Guest: Galina Fendikevich Episode Theme: Using AI tools in Product Marketing Key Discussion Points: Tool Selection and Integration, Enhancing Customer Insights, Optimizing Campaign Performance, Overcoming Adoption Barriers.

Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast Ep. 9 - Katie Miller (Developer Marketing)

In Episode 9, Katie shares invaluable insights on developer marketing, highlighting how it differs from traditional B2B or B2C approaches. Developers are highly skeptical and prefer peer validation and technical accuracy. Effective messaging needs to be solution-oriented and authentic, often relying on DevRel collaboration.

Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast Ep. 8 - Ginny Lalonde (Growth Marketing)

Episode Title: Porter’s Product Marketing Podcast Ep. 8 - Ginny Lalonde Guest: Ginny Lalonde, Sr. Manager, Digital Marketing Episode Theme: The dynamic intersection of demand generation and product marketing from a growth marketer’s perspective. Specifically, the partnership between Demand Generation and Product Marketing.